Alliance guild is dieing/alliance guild woes - TOPIC LOCKED!

Valnim wrote:

Bider wrote:

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maybe the alliance side is going to be a leveling guild rather than a guild full of level 70 characters until we get players to to wait for others to catch up

I agree with meany on this. The players that leave in search of the blue and purple items should stop and think who help them to 70 in the first place.

i think the help was on both sides. But can be wrong.

Val, Again i am answering you. You did help in the guild,and excepted help. And as soon as you hit 70 you were gone.Our guild is about helping the other guild members when asked. It is a shame that the lure of the blue and purple items was too great for you and the others that you could not wait for the others amoung us to get there.

too much to read lol
anyway i've quit the game because
1) I'm getting to addicted that if I carry on i will have no life

2) It's effecting my homework and schoolwork because i stay up late playing it and i always had it on my mind all day

3) starting to get a bit fat

But I will be back on wow...dunno when though.
Just to let you know i'm parkour

free running in other words
if i can i'll try and make a video of it.
i've been doing it for about 6 months

Bloodxtooth wrote:

too much to read lol
anyway i've quit the game because
1) I'm getting to addicted that if I carry on i will have no life

2) It's effecting my homework and schoolwork because i stay up late playing it and i always had it on my mind all day

3) starting to get a bit fat

But I will be back on wow...dunno when though.
Just to let you know i'm parkour

free running in other words
if i can i'll try and make a video of it.
i've been doing it for about 6 months

Shit i'd LOVE to try that.

Parkour that is, not take time off from WoW.

well now you come to mention it, i have been spending a lot of time indoors lately.....

Parkour eh? Cat leaps and the like. If it had been around several years ago I might have tried it, as it is I went down a different, shall we say more Goth, route.

MC_Satan wrote:

Parkour eh? Cat leaps and the like. If it had been around several years ago I might have tried it, as it is I went down a different, shall we say more Goth, route.

being a goth wouldn't have stopped you m8, you could have made it your 'Blade' moment.

come to think of it, i'm sure i recall several instances of you using inappropriate limbs in inappropriate places on that stairwell at Drew's.

Bider wrote:

And as soon as you hit 70 you were gone.Our guild is about helping the other guild members when asked. It is a shame that the lure of the blue and purple items was too great for you and the others that you could not wait for the others amoung us to get there.

just want to say that i hitted 70 as first (after eph ofc) and waited, waited quite long imo, wanted to wait longer ... i tried to tell Hedronn to wait to give time but he left (and we both were in guild long as lvl 70, i started 2-3 alts at that time and did many dungeons (as hard it may have been gettin parties)), when Hedronn left (a friend from real life) I was loosing my interest in game and priest, it was not just some items coz what i left
!!!and call me a bad guy (i always said i am u just didnt want to listen) i couldnt get Hedronn to be more far then me, from strat of wow he was my competition in every single way (lvl, gold, etc. ) [now u know the big secret]

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and call me a bad guy (i always said i am u just didnt want to listen)

Val I know bad, and people you can't rely or depend on are one of the worst sorts of Bad.

so to sort out after i left guild u had the feeling i became unreliable and that u cant depend on me? (at start im sure u did) but after time?

this is a dead thread really now,

the guild will survive or die on the basis of the members personality, it has less to do with the level of the character.

weak people will always find the easy way out....and usually in everything they do....they will find an excuse to make themselves feel better, "i did it because of this" or that...Val i still like you but the excuse of Hedron leaving is weak and flawed.

Number 1 ) You are your own person and not a sheep therefore the actions of others should be of little concern.

Number 2 ) The fact that you was bored with the priest had nothing to do with the guild and was just a convinient excuse at the time...how i know this?....look in general chat in any major city and mst of what u see is "LF Random ...any heroic!"

Sorry if you think i am picking on you...i am not....i`m just using you as an example to the comments i said.

in the end i belive the true colours of someone will come out at lvl 70 and if they stay they are the people we want.

if they go....well you know the answer to this .

i was writin more at first but net went down and all was lost, and dont really think i want to write it all, in short, zour conclusions are wrong, i was telling reason u made them excuses, next ... radnom parties strange u mention em, guild depends on ppl in it but mainly on GM, u know that, isnt it a game (have fun and try to get better, compete), u can just turn all reason and at end ppl that leave are gona look like .... since u can easily turn over writen word (happened before),

"action of others should be of little concern" .... i thought we live in society, where one influences others
also just that someone leaves dosnt show u damn thing about him

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"action of others should be of little concern" .... i thought we live in society, where one influences others
also just that someone leaves dosnt show u damn thing about him

as you said we live in a society, and as a society the actions and wants of a single or small amount of people matter very little. All decisions are based on what the group wants not the individual.

no one makes a decision to leave a guild in a split second. why when i promoted you to a member with the same guild powers as myself did you leave 3 days later?

what i am getting at is : people will leave guilds and thats a fact, its the fact that they use "Bullshit to try to Baffle brains" if people cant be honest with themselves who can they be honest with?

I think we need to discuss in depth the problems plaguing our alliance guild and most importantly the possible solutions.

First let me point out that it is important not to go down the balm path and doing a futile search for causes and culpit. Bygones are bygones

Now to the problem:

1-Dwindling number of guild mates (both low and high lvl)
2-lack of events (raids, dungeons…)
3-no interactivity
4-no consultation with other guild members about crucial and important decisions (again not wanting to open old wounds but several old members were kicked without fully explaining why and discussing the issue with officers. Ditto for ranks and promotions.)

In depth discussion and possible solutions:

1-recrutment seems the easy and best solution for this problem, but I feel that it will only be temporary. So in order to have more recruits and keep our high lvls an important question must answer: WHY?
Why are ppl leaving? There is a lot of answers to that question, like feeling outside the loop, having no say, and most important having no guild m8 with similar lvls.

A guild m8 could be really nice but at the end of the day he can’t spend all his time helping others. He need to lvl up and do some raiding. And frankly for lvl65+ in-guild raiding, grouping and lvling up is nonexistent or at best very poor. consequently, I for example am having a hell of a time to find a pug in order to do some instances, and its been ages since I last raided a hord place… and this been going on for months. At least I had my lvling up and grinding to occupy me.
What will happen when I hit 70??? Will I have to wait for several months till the 50+ gui;d m8 lvl up??? Even though we barely have 10 ppl in the 50-70 range. And some of them have not been seen for ages online (lillebenn for example) or just rarely …
And having two parallel guilds is not helping.

Solution? I will come to that after I detail the rest of the problems:

2- linked to the lack of ppl, but somehow this guild has never been very active conserving PVP, in the old days however we did have a strong group of dungeon raiding .
3- Lack of interactivity: is directly linked to problem 1 and 2, I log on sometimes and find 1 or 2 ppl in the guild…
4- This problem can be shortened to one sentence: is our guild a democracy? Or not? Who has a say and to what extent? What are the promotions guidelines?

Now to some of the solutions I envisioned:

It all boils down to PURPOSE
What is our guild all about? A tchat room where we meet and have some fun? Or maybe a PVP specialized guild or even a PVE? Or do we want to do all that but at our leisure? But what if we have to choose? WHAT ARE OUR PRIORITIES? Hard question that need an urgent answer. And this is not for one person or even a handful to decide. Everyone should give his opinion on this issue and we urgently need to define our purpose and answer these questions. In short we need to draft up a constitution.

Meanwhile more discussions and brainstorming is needed, again BTW all members. And plz refrain from any blaming or angry accusations, I am not doing this against any one person, I am just expressing my opinion and how I feel.

Interseting questions mate, and i agree that we cant open old wounds about blame.

All people would of recieved an email today regarding the changes the alliance guild is going through just now regarding the running of it, ive also updated the website to highlight a few of these points.

I think that the guild needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, and YES this does mean kicking some members that have not used their accounts in 3 weeks. With Bider now in charge (bloody tyrant) i have had a few discussions with him about ideas to re-invent the guild. Most of them were quite posotive.

Bringing up skype again i think now that more and more people are using it the guild chat seems to be dead, and that could be a reason why the guild seems dead.

Over the past few weeks i have been putting alot of people up to the rank of captain, this is not because i have some kind of affection for them (lol) but only captains and above can recruit new members. I think all levels should be able to recruit, if someone joins and likes the guild then why cant they recruit their friends therefor boosting my coffers..lol i mean guild members. If they turn out to be arseholes then its easy to kick them. I feel that if you are in this guild then please be interactive and chat with people, i mean (not naming) there are a few members that never talk on guild chat, yet some are the first to complain when they cant get help. JUST ASK!!!

Myself, i have found over the past week that i am leveling quicker now that i am questing with Bid and egg and wont be long till i hit 58 and outlands.

Maybe a teamspeak server is the way to go so when you come online you can chat with everyone and then nobody is out of the loop, and the occasional helping of other with quests will help them level quicker. ( i think this is the way to go) We do not have to be questing together to speak on the skype/teamspeak, its a social thing and everybody gets to know each other a bit better

I understand some people just want to level their own characters and cannot be bothered about helping others (do we actually want these people?) but that will not stop the rest of us from doing so.

Maybe a cull is what we need, clear out the deadwood and just keep the regular members who are online regulary and start rebuilding from there?

With regards to raiding and instances, if someone was to ask, then yes i will help, as long as im not in the middle of something (haha)

These are just some thoughts of the matter, and alot of what seth says i agree with.


Bloody hell that was long winded wasn't it.....

It can be a bit quiet in chat at times, right enough. I sometimes feel I'm talking to myself, perhaps as I am really boring, or perhaps I'm just bonkers.

I'm not quoting it cos it'll make the page too long but congratulations to Strophic on a post almost as long as one of mine.

few pointers though mate:

Try to veer away from the subject matter a bit more
Try to make a bit less sense
Make no attempt to keep your grammar ans dpelliung within the guidelines set down in dictionaries/schools.
erm
um
forget what you were on about halfway through.


Seriously though, a very good post from both. I agree with both of them in many respects. I like this guild and love the social aspect of it but have had misgivings about the actual 'guild-ness' of the thing. What is a guild?, What do we want from it? what do we expect from it? and how are we to react when these come into conflict with what is happening?

I would say to anyone who may be developing a sense of foreboding or itchy feet, to hang fire for now and not do something rash (a bit rich coming from mr. left-the-guild-on-2-occasions-previously, i know but....whatever!) and see where the discussions lead to.
Remember, you do have a voice in this guild, everyone does. Or if they don't they bloody should. Once it is known what direction everyone wants to take the guild and what sort of guild we want to be in / want to run then we can think about what our options are.

As EggC will testify, I don't like new fangled things. I LIKE my PC wired to the modem. I also feel really, really stupid sitting at my PC/X360 with a headset on chatting to people and as a result I don't do it.

The skype craze is hurting typed old school chat and I won't get a headset for reasons explained above- if this increases my sense of isolation so be it, it's my own fault for not wanting to feel like an arse in my own house.

MC_Satan wrote:

As EggC will testify, I don't like new fangled things. I LIKE my PC wired to the modem. I also feel really, really stupid sitting at my PC/X360 with a headset on chatting to people and as a result I don't do it.

The skype craze is hurting typed old school chat and I won't get a headset for reasons explained above- if this increases my sense of isolation so be it, it's my own fault for not wanting to feel like an arse in my own house.

Fair enough, everyone to their own, but how is using a headset any different from talking to someone on the phone?

Im not saying we have to use skype/teamspeak it is just a suggestion

without being funny here guys...none of the issues above are new.

perhaps i was wrong but i always wanted a guild that had decent people in it rather than people specifically designed to do stuff.

i got a new job and dont have time anymore so i gave that responsability to Bider, who has always thought like myself and perhaps more importantly plays more than me and gets to see whats going on.

from day 1 all of you was told that we was a guild that didnt care what you did as long as you was nice and friendly to fellow guild members.

as for a Democracy seth. if every possible detail is talked about in the guild and discussed you`d spend more time talking about playing than actually playin it. which is 1 of the reasons (apart from lack of time) that i no longer wished to be guild boss.

Democracy is never a burden.
On the contrary involving most of the guild in discussion about ranks, promotion, improvements and structure would lead to a closer knit community and making members care more about he guild as they have a personnel investment in its creation and development.

Additionally, out of all what I said I am kind of disappointed that the main issue was not discussed: what we really want out of our guild?? And how to work toward achieveing this goal. And this is crucial because if we don’t start working towards our goal and try to cater to each member (even slightly) expectation and enjoyment the exodus of players will continue. And here let me stress again to keep away from the blame game, people are free and if they feel that the guild is not fulfilling their expectation of the game I think they have every right to leave. It is for the guild as a whole to try and please the major part of its members, or else it becomes a burden and not an enjoyment.

And to help with this process let tell what I expect of a guild that I am part of:
First a nice friendly community, that is ready to help out with quest, PVP and advice
Second, an active guild that does weekly or at most bi weekly PVP
Third a guild that have at most a weekly instance for each lvl brackets ( 20-30, …, 60-70, …) and so on
Fourth, having a team in the arena that will be our pride and joy and that we will all encourage and help out!!!

I know that these goals are difficult to achieve but if we don’t set our mind on achieving such goals or others that we agree on, the guild will keep dwindling and dying. Additionally these goals will help attract more members and give a overall purpose and focus of our guild!!

Finally, I am kind of bummed that a very little discussion took place concerning my ideas, especially that every time I log on I see less and less ppl in our guild

With to regards to Seth's posts how about setting up the following -

For example - Sunday night 8pm servertime - pvp
Wednesday night 8 pm servertime - instances for certain levels

The rest could be used for ppl leveling their chars

These are just examples and days could change.

I see the point about the phone but (and this is just me) I don't really like the phone either!! If people want to chat with headsets of course I have no issue with it whatsoever-it's just not for me.

For me, a complete newcomer to MMORPG, what i would expect from a guild is that:
people are friendly-check
people help out when I get stuck-check
The odd raid or somesuch-variable to not much
A lively chat (typed!! )-again variable depending who is on

That is about it really, I really enjoy being in the guild and am attempting to convert some friends of mine to WoW and therefore the guild, but we'll see how they take to it....

That is the way forward, let each one state his expecptation of the guild and we can find a common ground to build on:

for me i would also like
1- PVP raiding AT LEAST once a month, planned and practised in advance not a chaotic attack that means nothing
2- instance run every week or so, especially when i hit 70 and there is no more dinging
3- a way to offer help and receive in addition to an extra incentive for ppl who help others ( promotions, free items and gold...)
4- establishing a committee that deal with grievance and problems btw members that have the final say in expulsions and high promotions

sethgalad wrote:

That is the way forward, let each one state his expecptation of the guild and we can find a common ground to build on:

for me i would also like
1- PVP raiding AT LEAST once a month, planned and practised in advance not a chaotic attack that means nothing
2- instance run every week or so, especially when i hit 70 and there is no more dinging
3- a way to offer help and receive in addition to an extra incentive for ppl who help others ( promotions, free items and gold...)
4- establishing a committee that deal with grievance and problems btw members that have the final say in expulsions and high promotions

I agree with points 1-3 (look at add on in allaince guild topic very useful tool)

Regards to point 4, this wont work. This is a game and apointing a commitee is making it like a goverment office. All we need is an over boss and a few officers, Tem. Magiko, Strophic, Kira and Seth that can sort out all the probs on Officer chat, do away with all the other ranks.

Thats only my opinion and we shall have to wait for Bider to come back from hols to finally sort something out.

I have been asked a lot lately to join other guilds with high lvl members in but I am sticking with the Our guild obviously due to the fact our members are friendly and helpful which is the main quality I personally want from a guild and that I am sure the guild can grow and become stronger and the main point being I like our guild.

Yes we have had members leave and it seemed to hit rock bottom but it can only get better and we are establishing where the problems lie so they can be addressed.

I personally play wow for escapism from reality (work), to have fun and to have some social chat with other like minded people.

I don't pretend to know every thing about wow or even how to use my charcter to her best but I do enjoy playing which at the end of the day that is what it is all about, I am absolutely rubbish at pvp but Obviously I give it my best when raiding etc..

Yes I agree we need to do frequent instances etc as I only like doing these with people I know and trust (guild members), especially when I wouldn't be able to do some of my quests without obviously doing them.

Obviously if I can help any other guild members in any way just ask me.

Remember guys this is a game and not real life and it can sometimes become too serious and affect reality and for me it's all about having fun!!

with all due respect guys the only one left who made up the original 10 people who made this guild (thats me) i have always been totally honest with what we are about. if it wasnt clear off my last post i`ll make it so now.

we are about a bunch of freindly people who like to have fun and help....and every one of you who are typining in this forum know that because i said the same sht to all of you before i joined you up....."we are a freindly guild ...and all we ask is that you are friendly and nice back"

i know i`m not the guild leader here anymore guys but i have put a lot of time and effort into this guild and i have had enough (not saying others havent...you know who you are) if people dont like what they signed up for they are fools. we are not just about gaming we are supposed to be about community....goals are a bullshit word used buy corporate dicks (i know i am one now) to try and motivate people. if your motivation isnt to be a happy community spirited person...then we are not for you....i was never after 1000 members...just decent people....does this sound familiar?.."

"Quality not quantity"

i have said it enough

to be fair now i have had enough of all the shit that goes with it...if you expect more...i dont think we can give it you.......and i`m sorry to single you out here seth , but you are the one bringing the issues up....with a ping that you have most of these so called "Pro Guilds" wouldnt even enterain you....do you know why?.....because they car more about what you can do than the person you are.

sorry to be blunt here guys but i dont know how much longer i can take this mindless whining about nothing....